Curse

Issac · Apr 12, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Many people say that warriors are the easiest profession to play. Many other people say its not and complain that they die alot. People say warriors don't do great amouts of damage. Most of the people use to use mending and some still do. Are warriors looked down upon becase they seem to be the most played class or because the people that play them have crappy builds and aren't skilled. Or any other reason, I think warriors are amazing and its my favorite class to play. But are they still worthy in other peoples eyes?

LightningHell · Apr 12, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Warriors are amazing if played well.

They're actually noticeable if you have a crap person playing it, as well.

Cathode_Reborn · Apr 13, 2007, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Assuming you're talking about pve.....when I see a warrior, I assume he's a bad one until proven otherwise. The reason is cause just about every single warrior I've teamed with is just plain horrible. Out of all the classes there are, warriors have the worst rep. I think the reason is cause a majority of people who made a pve warrior will just use em for farming/running purposes and when joining a party, they'll still be using their farming builds just to stand there and tank. I find it funny and sad that lots of warriors tend to have very high-priced items/armor yet they're usually the most useless members in a party. While every profession has their share of bad players, I think warriors have the most simply cause they'll end up using them for profit. I don't think the image of pve warriors will ever change - most people think they're only there for absorbing damage, rather than actually doing it.

In short, a few people do look down upon warriors and see them as aggro-hungry players

zling · Apr 13, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34

I think that the reason that warriors are "looked down upon" as you put it is because every new player usually starts with playing a warrior, or more specifically a whammo. and warrior is the most popular class which means that tons of newbie whammos are infesting all 3 continents. now, when you see a warrior in PvE you cant be sure if he's with the newb whammos(or perhaps a whammo who decided to change a secondary

) or an actually good warrior, who are pretty rare among the majority of warriors...

Arkantos · Apr 13, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

zling, you can say the same about any other class in the game.

Coloneh · Apr 13, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

I assume all warriors i party with are complete idiots until they prove that they arent. every 11 year old moron who gets guild wars rushes to make his first mending wammo and aggro everything on the map. not there arnet good warriors, but there are just SO many bad ones.

Shadowfox1125 · Apr 13, 2007, 03:48 AM // 03:48

I'd agree that they are looked down upon, mainly because there are more horrible warriors than good ones.. Even when I go W/Mo for the hard rez, I still get the typical "OMG WAMMO NUB!!!" comments.. or even if I pack Mending Touch, although thats mainly in PvP..

Harvey Birdman · Apr 13, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

I think they just aren't thought too highly of because what an average one can do generally goes unnoticed and there aren't too many good ones out there.

Surena · Apr 13, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

They are the most popular and most played class after the monk (who's only more popular because of the 55 variant) and people generally demand more reliability from them (next to monk's unlimited "healing powaz") while not caring about aggro themselves - the best example are Eles who can't stand the sight of their godly "nukaz skillz" missing enemy mobs while ignoring aggro and so they blame the warrior.

There are just a lot of them, and their armours/items are the most expensive, most seen/noticed, bragged about. Thus it creates a form of hatred/jealousy and prejudices.

Bad warriors are easier noticed in PvP than PvE where a lot is forgiven. I find the general comments from a PvE standpoint laughable, because unless it's DoA or group-farming, a good team can endure heavy beating before collapsing - and it takes a lot to be stupid enough to fail in most missions.

Thanks to Heroes I can play a real warrior, no lame aggro-magnet.

fb2000 · Apr 13, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

for me, warriors are the hardest class to play. monks do come close, but surely not quite. Sure, you get amazing pressure while you are monking, but when you are the warrior, you have to pay attention to a shitload of factors.. Why do you actually think there are so many "bad" warriors? Ive yet to see a bad ele or a bad necro tbh..

I was listening to people that look down to warriors and bitch about "noob wammos hahaha" (amazing alliance i was in..), only to find out _none_ of them had a warrior, much less neither of them had done any pvp but RA.

keep your head up and bash theirs

Nexus Icon · Apr 13, 2007, 11:30 AM // 11:30

I wouldn't agree that warriors are the hardest class to play (that honour falls to mesmer), but there IS a lot more to playing a warrior well than most people believe.
The vast majority of people out there try to play a warrior like they'd play the class in WoW of EQ, and this really isn't where the class shines the best.
Pressure, damage and disruption are a true warrior's strong points, and playing a build that implements all of these effectively is where you can differentiate between the good and the bad.

kumarshah · Apr 13, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21

I think if you are good, people complement you.

But there are a lot of bad Warriors out there. For example, I have seen many people using Endure Pain before even a fight begins. Others don't realize that packing a skillbar full of energy skills doesn't help.

But the worst thing in PvE is that since you are a Warrior, people automatically assume you are playing as a tank. I told my team once, I am not a tank, I don't have any tanking skills (I run a Dragon slash build). The team leader laughs and says - You are a warrior, you are a tank. Go position yourself in front of the boss. WTF.

Utaku · Apr 13, 2007, 12:23 PM // 12:23

The price of sundering mods is an indicator of how pve warriors as a whole are bad.

When i pick up, i always pledge for a hench or heroe warrior, because they naturally pressure casters first, and follow targets.

farmpig · Apr 13, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

it all depends on the mission. I was with a grp fighting some high degen and hex hex monsters. None of the monks had condition or hex removal spells on them. A warrior with a high dam melee build is only as good as the num of hits he makes.

warriors are only as good as the hits they make it u miss >50% of the time u need to change ur build

Raxxman · Apr 13, 2007, 12:51 PM // 12:51

All classes are looked down on by people who don't understand how they function.

Example. Eles, monks, etc who stray way too close when you're setting up aggro, then they look down on you because you can't body block 13 foes at once.

Winstar · Apr 13, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

To be perfectly honest, my default assumption when I join a PvE pug is that anyone I haven't played with is horrible regardless of proffesion simply because most people in the game are horrible. Warriors might have a bad rep, but really I highly doubt they are any worse than the average member of any class you pick up for a group. Warriors simply might stand out a little more if they die overextended whereas the crapiness of say an ele or mesmer or ranger etc might remain hidden from you at the start as they are never sticking their necks out.

Other than DOA where the role of a warrior is largely reduced to aggro holder, warriors have potential in pretty much every other area of the game as damage dealers who can also due to high armour soak up a lot of aggro. One thing that really jumps out is the ease with which they can apply a deep wound. The reason people prefer other classes as damage dealers is that outside of a few reasonable skills like triple chop they do less AoE damage. So If you have an ele that can nuke the whole group it jumps out at you a lot more, and since PvE mobs are dumb and prone to being ruined by AoE, its nice to have someone using searing, or barrrage and splinter weapon, or a huge mob of minions.

IMO one of the the main differene between PvE and PvP is that you can make use of/abuse the AI of monsters and engineer more situations in which Mass AOE is going to be effective in dropping targets. In PvP this isn't the case (ok...NPCs at VOD aside..) since you are dealing with real people who for the most part will act more intellegently than your average mob, in which case greater coordination and single target elimination is crucial. Here a good warrior is going to generate as much DPS as pretty much anything in the game.

XvArchonvX · Apr 13, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

The stereotypical wammo is generally looked down on since there are a ton of scrub players that think any situation can be solved by running in and wacking things. However, there are many good warriors out there that know how to frenzy and stance cancel as well as adrenal build before switch target spiking. The warrior class has some very strong potential, but there are simply many people that put their attitude before their brains when playing it.

cR4zY-n^ · Apr 13, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Warrior ownz.

asp1988 · Apr 13, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Warriors are an essential part of a party, and just as vital to pvp. Warriors, call targets, they take the initial brute force off enemy casters, and they keep the melee away from casters. Dervish's are exactly the same. My main is a warrior, though i also play mo/me, me/mo, rt/a, d/n and e/me frequently. Although my love of playing a warrior runs deep it is true that whenver i play an alternate character and join a party i will have little faith in the wammo's.

"The same can be said for all class's" while this may be true on paper, there are many other factors that contribute to the spamming of useless warriors.

1. Warriors look tough
2. They can be used at a basic level very easily
3. Many new players (even if they start on an alternate character type) will not have a found enough understanding of the game to keep up the confusing skills etc, related to that character ---> make warrior

Juk3n · Apr 13, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Good Warriors are hard to find, but it doesn't help that the majority of people in any outpost in any campaign are "wiki says this" players.

And anyone NOT using the wiki guide to good Warrior-ing is a "nub 5u><0r of nubcakeness"

People seem to forget that aside from monks(only on high pressure occasions) warriors are the hardest working member of any team.

When YOUR Fireball almost kills him but doesnt and HIS Life syphon is slowly doing its thing, and OUR enemy is running away to heal, it's MY Sprinting Bulls strike thats gonna halt the bugger.